The Magi Coven

- A Proposal - (( Feel free to take this OOC and IC as you prefer. Perhaps both? ))

The Magi of the Spine (definitely and by signature the following: Ellisis Sharpe, Rothas Garavel, Zamarion L. Flametalon and Kelmith) have agreed to support the idea of a sub-branch to be made, the Magi Coven. In essence, the Coven will take care of most of the following:
- Research to improve.
- Tutoring the younger aspirants.
- Handle magical artifacts.
- Handle magical disturbances and obstacles.

In agreement of more people that this branch should be created, the first projects will be initialized. Due to the threat of the Twilight Cult, many of the projected will be directly associated against them.
Future projects:
- The strange metals of the Twilight Cult.
- Reversing the Twilight corruption.
- Studying the newly summoned elementals.
- Venturing to Coldarra, researching the Nexus uninterrupted as the Blue Dragonflight is no more.
- Studying runes and scripts in general.
- Creating and follow-through on magical protection such as runes around Brill, the houses and the walls.

I want to emphasis that the Coven will in no way interfere with the system.

What is stated above is a lie.

My all for the Dark Lady...

Ellisis Sharpe wrote:

- A Proposal - (( Feel free to take this OOC and IC as you prefer. Perhaps both? ))

The Magi of the Spine (definitely and by signature the following: Ellisis Sharpe, Rothas Garavel, Zamarion L. Flametalon and Kelmith) have agreed to support the idea of a sub-branch to be made, the Magi Coven. In essence, the Coven will take care of most of the following:
- Research to improve.
- Tutoring the younger aspirants.
- Handle magical artifacts.
- Handle magical disturbances and obstacles.

In agreement of more people that this branch should be created, the first projects will be initialized. Due to the threat of the Twilight Cult, many of the projected will be directly associated against them.
Future projects:
- The strange metals of the Twilight Cult.
- Reversing the Twilight corruption.
- Studying the newly summoned elementals.
- Venturing to Coldarra, researching the Nexus uninterrupted as the Blue Dragonflight is no more.
- Studying runes and scripts in general.
- Creating and follow-through on magical protection such as runes around Brill, the houses and the walls.

It is a grand idea, and it makes me glad to see that people are willing to take such initiative and come up with this proposal.
And while I do like the idea of having a magical covern, I see a flaw. Well, not exactly a flaw, more or less something that is... Present, so to speak.
The Apothecarium is handling magical artifacts, as well as researching in different branches of magic (primarily necromancy and the 'primal' genres (fire, water, wind, earth...)), and magicians are welcome in all branches, i.e those capable of Shadow or Light are proposed to stick to the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow within the guild (the one led by Geriand), those capable in warfare often pick the Deathguard as sorceres and healers, and even in the Deathstalkers, where shadow magi can easily spy using magic, and assist deathstalkers in action in a variety of ways, and those into researching are of course welcome in the Apothecarium, as engineering/alchemy can be combined with magic (see technomages, hedge magi).

Furthermore, should we all agree on having a magical covern in the guild, there's the issue of guild-rank spaces already being used up. Of course, we could do it via. the officer/public notes, though this is already used by the Cult.


TL;DR, it's a fantastic idea, but in my opinion, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. Sorry.

(P.S., please do conjure more awesome ideas to warm my little heart)

Marwonaeth wrote:

Ellisis Sharpe wrote:

- A Proposal - (( Feel free to take this OOC and IC as you prefer. Perhaps both? ))

The Magi of the Spine (definitely and by signature the following: Ellisis Sharpe, Rothas Garavel, Zamarion L. Flametalon and Kelmith) have agreed to support the idea of a sub-branch to be made, the Magi Coven. In essence, the Coven will take care of most of the following:
- Research to improve.
- Tutoring the younger aspirants.
- Handle magical artifacts.
- Handle magical disturbances and obstacles.

In agreement of more people that this branch should be created, the first projects will be initialized. Due to the threat of the Twilight Cult, many of the projected will be directly associated against them.
Future projects:
- The strange metals of the Twilight Cult.
- Reversing the Twilight corruption.
- Studying the newly summoned elementals.
- Venturing to Coldarra, researching the Nexus uninterrupted as the Blue Dragonflight is no more.
- Studying runes and scripts in general.
- Creating and follow-through on magical protection such as runes around Brill, the houses and the walls.

It is a grand idea, and it makes me glad to see that people are willing to take such initiative and come up with this proposal.
And while I do like the idea of having a magical covern, I see a flaw. Well, not exactly a flaw, more or less something that is... Present, so to speak.
The Apothecarium is handling magical artifacts, as well as researching in different branches of magic (primarily necromancy and the 'primal' genres (fire, water, wind, earth...)), and magicians are welcome in all branches, i.e those capable of Shadow or Light are proposed to stick to the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow within the guild (the one led by Geriand), those capable in warfare often pick the Deathguard as sorceres and healers, and even in the Deathstalkers, where shadow magi can easily spy using magic, and assist deathstalkers in action in a variety of ways, and those into researching are of course welcome in the Apothecarium, as engineering/alchemy can be combined with magic (see technomages, hedge magi).

Furthermore, should we all agree on having a magical covern in the guild, there's the issue of guild-rank spaces already being used up. Of course, we could do it via. the officer/public notes, though this is already used by the Cult.


TL;DR, it's a fantastic idea, but in my opinion, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. Sorry.

(P.S., please do conjure more awesome ideas to warm my little heart)

Nonono, I don't need ranks. The Coven is simply as I said, a sub-branch, and will basically be the Magi set together passively to help.
It's rather a group of Magi that seek to help and to be there so that people KNOW where to go, and share general knowledge and teachings of magical properties.

Nevertheless, you will still be in the normal ranks. "Apothecary Teorius Darkcast of the Magi Coven" for example. It will -NOT- under any circumstances change the system!

Knowledge.
That's the key.

Admittedly there will be little, nagging problems here and there but I implore all of you to see the potential greatness that may come from this, me and Elli have already thought of several decent events that can be spread out and what not, I fancy giving lectures every other week! Lots of stuff and because there'd be a sect dedicated to it the people concerned can show more focus towards it!

And also... The Undercity has a section for magic...

Just sayin'...

Would the members have to be specifically and exclusively mages? Casters?

The following will be accepted as long as they use some form of magic:

- Priests (They would have to go through the Chapel to be part of the 'Coven', I believe)
- Death Knights (As long as they use magic and have knowledge in it)
- Mages
- Warlocks

Why design it to be restrictive? I'd love to be able to engage in research and tutoring as Lyssta, and the fact that she cannot perform magic should not mean that she is unable to read and write and develop insights into whatever various things come out - only the practical side of things would remain at bay.

This is a suggestion to consider to help the idea have broader scope for applicants!

favouredenemy wrote:

Why design it to be restrictive? I'd love to be able to engage in research and tutoring as Lyssta, and the fact that she cannot perform magic should not mean that she is unable to read and write and develop insights into whatever various things come out - only the practical side of things would remain at bay.

This is a suggestion to consider to help the idea have broader scope for applicants!

It's called Magi Coven since the Magi of the Spine seem left out and have nowhere to 'belong'. Deathstalkers, Deathguards and Apothecaries - we fit into all three, sure, but not completely. This is why we thought of this Coven, where the Magi will be able to cooperate more specifically.

If Lyssta is a Deathstalker, she'll tutor other Deathstalkers. Apothecaries will teach other Apothecaries, but in Alchemy or engineering. The Magi lack such a system.

The Magi will teach those who wish to know more of magic, magic and by that they'll be accepted slowly into the Coven. (Or Insightful, as the name will be proposed)

However, the Deathstalkers and Deathguards have devoted their lives to fighting, I believe. The Insightful will fight as well, but their fighting style comes from studying, and hence I see fit the Magi are set into this sub-branch, and not others.

Lyss has got an excellent point, and I think you missed it, Ellisis.
I believe she meant to ask why use ranks, why not make the research/tutoring much more free, rather than making it a structured organization meant for magi alone, when existing Apothecaries could join it too, and contribute to the research quite easily?

Marwonaeth wrote:

Lyss has got an excellent point, and I think you missed it, Ellisis.
I believe she meant to ask why use ranks, why not make the research/tutoring much more free, rather than making it a structured organization meant for magi alone, when existing Apothecaries could join it too, and contribute to the research quite easily?

What annoys me in that aspect in such it is put is that in essence then, the Coven (Insightful) will be covering the entire Spine and then again, the Magi will be set out of place.
The Spine entirely works on research. So doing such as you said, we'll essentially turn into a smaller version within the spine within the spine.

I think my brain fried.

The issue here is that the Magi already had a place, they just didn't think it suited them.
The Royal Apothecary Society is where the Forsaken Magi go. When Sylvanas recruits a new mage, it's where she sends them.

Quote :

If Sylvanas manages to free a wizard or sorcerer from the Lich King's control, she will invite him or her to the Society herself

_{Citation: WoWpedia: Lands of Conflict, pg. 164}

The Society isn't just being an Alchemist. It's about research, ingenuity and experimentation. I understood Ellisis' point that the Spine didn't lack a specific place for Mages who just wanted to be Mages, which is what I expected the Magi Coven to be. Honestly, I struggle to see how you can claim you don't belong. Those who do weren't here during the Apothecarium days when we had to squeeze and tug to try and let anyone but mages in. Now that we have opened our doors to everyone, we're left wondering how you can truly claim to not have a home?

If we were to split Mages into three kinds:
Book-Mages = Mages who specialised in magical research
Battle-Mages = Mages who specialised in magical combat
Black-Mages = Mages who specialised in magical assassination

We've found a home in each of the "departments." The whole reasoning behind the Deathguard, RAS, Deathstalker split was to make a home for everyone. The Royal Apothecary society offered the perfect Haven for our Magi, I feel that it just wasn't utilised enough.

HOWEVER

Marwon and I have agreed that this Magi Coven can be set up. All this Coven does is assign a subtitle to a member of The Spine who is a mage. They will have mage-y meetings, they will perform mage-y activities. This doesn't mean that anyone is excluded. They are still members of each department that they are assigned to...
Think of the Magi Coven as a bookclub. People with a similar interest have come together to discuss this particular interest. Occassionally they may go to the library together to pick the next book. They cannot return to their job and say: "I'm chairman of the bookclub! This makes me superior to you!". Any rank held within the Magi Coven only applies during the Magi Coven meetings and events.

If you're not a member of this exclusive bookclub, you are NOT missing out. If your character would like to perform research, The Royal Apothecary Society is there to help you. They have books, resources etc. and they will be your guide for this research, NOT the Magi Coven.

Furthermore, The Magi Coven isn't going to have ranks. Either you're in the leading council, which composes of: Rothas, Ellisis, Zamarion and Lynnea, or you're just a member of it. There is no promotion, there is no secret advancement taking place. The Magi Coven is, and referring back to my previous example, a club. By being a part of this club you look as if you're special, but it actually means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

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TL;DR -- If the Magi Coven does it, its likely the rest of The Spine offers that facility too. They do NOTHING unique.

I approve of Geriand's post.

How come you're so good at selling ideas..?

"We've found a home in each of the "departments." The whole reasoning behind the Deathguard, RAS, Deathstalker split was to make a home for everyone. The Royal Apothecary society offered the perfect Haven for our Magi, I feel that it just wasn't utilised enough."

I completely and whole-heartedly agree with this statement.

Ellisis Sharpe wrote:

I approve of Geriand's post.

How come you're so good at selling ideas..?

Someone has to do it.